SYW298 – Finding Soul in Scrapbooking

Dawn Cervo: [00:00:00] At this point In my life, it's really about the spiritual renaissance that I'm going through and finding the sacred in every day.

Jennifer Wilson: Welcome to Scrapbook Your Way, the show that explores the breadth of ways to be a memory keeper today. I'm your host, Jennifer Wilson, owner of Simple Scrapper and author of the New Rules of Scrapbooking. This is episode 298. In this episode, I'm joined by Dawn Cervo to explore how scrapbooking fits into her toolbox of creative and soul filling practices. We discuss some of her favorite techniques and sources of inspiration.

Hey Dawn, welcome to Scrapbook Your Way.

Dawn Cervo: Hi, Jennifer. I'm so happy to be here.

Jennifer Wilson: I am delighted to have a chat with you. Can you share a little bit about yourself to kick things off?

Dawn Cervo: Sure. Sure. Um, I live in Canada's far north, uh, with my husband. I live in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory. And [00:01:00] between the two of us, we have five adult children. And I retired in 2022. Kind of forced into it, but it's been a real blessing. And, uh, since I retired, we've also been able to spend a month or two every spring and fall in Germany with my mother-in-law. And actually, one of your members introduced me to my favorite scrapbooking store in Germany.

Jennifer Wilson: That is very cool. That is very cool. What is your favorite scrapbooking store in Germany?

Dawn Cervo: Oh. Oh, now I can't remember the name of it, but it's in a little town called Hilden, and a really lovely lady named Sylvia runs it. And it's, it's awesome. Oh, Scrapabilly that's what it's called. Scrapabilly.

Jennifer Wilson: Nice. Nice.

Dawn Cervo: I also, just to finish that off, I like to call myself a mystic and a maker.

I've been scrapbooking for almost 30 years, and in the past few years, I've been focusing on my spiritual side, and really embracing the sacred and everyday, and trying to bring that into my scrapbooking a little more.

Jennifer Wilson: So how do you [00:02:00] define mystic?

Dawn Cervo: So, um, I have really just embraced the, um, side of me that I guess misses touching my soul every day. And so I'm more in tune with nature and just really celebrating the beauty that's in the world.

Jennifer Wilson: Lovely, lovely. I can't wait to hear more about that. Now. I think I saw this Instagram post yesterday where your town was listed as one of the places where you, if you get a job there, Canada will expedite your permanent residency.

Dawn Cervo: Oh, that's must be one of those weird, uh, Microsoft things. I don't know. I've never heard of that.

Jennifer Wilson: Okay. No.

Dawn Cervo: I think those ads have started popping up in the last week for some reason.

Jennifer Wilson: Yes. Yes. I believe so. But for those who are considering a relocation, um, lots of places in Canada that will be, uh, eager to, to take some of [00:03:00] us.

Dawn Cervo: For sure. For sure. It's a friendly place.

Jennifer Wilson: So Dawn, do you have a favorite layout, project, something creative? Tell us all about it and why it's a favorite.

Dawn Cervo: Well actually two, uh, of course, my son's school of life photo book. So I've given up trying to scrapbook it and I've actually gone to a photo book. And it's finally coming together after several attempts. Both physically and digitally over the years. And for all three of my kids. Because I was always great at creating like the opening page with his class photo and who his teacher was and blah, blah, blah.

And then the pocket for the artwork, you know, and the assignments and report cards, that was great. Done for every kid several times, honestly. But never got any further than that during those attempts. And what I realized it was because I was avoiding it because my physical photos were such a mess. And he's turning 38 in June.

So I hope to be done before his birthday. [00:04:00] Um, so yeah, I think I've scanned all those photos, organized them, scanned them there. It's coming together now, so it's, it's good. So. And then the second project I was just thinking about this morning is I'm, I'm starting to scrapbook in German once in a while. And so I'll have to post it.

I was realizing I hadn't posted it and I'm really proud of it. And so me and Google Translate did the journaling on it. And I made sure, sure my husband checked it, made sure it was right. And so it's pretty cool. I'm pretty happy with it.

Jennifer Wilson: That's really fun. I love that. I love your celebrating, celebrating different cultures that are part of your life. I had a question related to your first answer and that it sounds like from the beginning that you have a blended family. How are you approaching kind of those childhood years for maybe the kids that were not originated with you?

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, so the two boys that my husband has kind of fits in between my older son and my younger girls. [00:05:00] And so they didn't actually come into my life until they were like 12, 13. So I definitely included them in scrapbook pages as they got older. But, um, and grew with us as a family. But my husband has a huge, heavy box of photos with so many duplicates. And it's currently up in my closet. And I keep telling him it's one of those, um, one of those projects we're going to attack over a Christmas break or something. One time to try and sort them by year.

So, and all his old photos as well, but, um, since, um, we've been together, I've been really trying to blend the two as much as possible. So I do do layouts about both his boys as well.

Jennifer Wilson: Yes, yes, of course. I was just curious because I'm in a very similar boat with a similar heavy box. Um, and we also have some bags as well and some bins of memorabilia that we haven't quite tackled yet. Um, and it's just, [00:06:00] it's been an interesting journey to try to figure out how do we, how do we celebrate the reality of, especially when you have adult children that are off living their own lives. Um, yet still trying to capture some of those childhood memories and organize them in the way that we are, um, for everyone. So.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Just an interesting kind of a thought conversation.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Is there something right now that you're excited to do, use or try? And this could be inside of scrapbooking or just in your everyday life.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah. I mean, one of the things that I've been doing and, and I've used this, I've used my scrapbooking previously as a method for healing and processing grief after losing my dad in 2017. And now, I plan to scrapbook more about my spiritual journey, of course. Um, I recently went on a sacred retreat to Montserrat, Spain. And there were definitely a few mystical [00:07:00] experiences, quote unquote, that happened to me there. So I plan to scrapbook them soon, as I move into my November 2024 layouts over the next few weeks.

Jennifer Wilson: I'm curious if you, can you tell me a little bit about, and I guess this maybe starts to transition into like the core of our conversation, but how do you organize your layouts? It sounds like you have a structure of how you work through things.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, so I have tried um, Library of Memories in the past. I've had albums for each of my children as they grew. But as I've gotten older, I've started to streamline things and really just started creating annual albums. So 2024, finishing that up has been my goal now that I have time. And um, I also am going backwards. And one of the things I, and I think I've said this on a Simple Scrapper member meeting before [00:08:00] when we've talked in the planning party or whatever. Where I've talked about, you know, all of us only have so much physical space to put our albums.

And so what I recently started doing was I took five years worth of the oldest albums. And I created a photo book with it. I digitized them all, just simply took a photo in the one by one kind of square layout. And plopped them in a photo book. And I created a master copy for me and then I created a copy for each of my three children, for the layouts that they were in or the layouts that pertain to them.

And so they each got kind of a mini version of that master copy. And I've done two of those now. So I've taken 10 years worth of scrapbooks, five scrapbooks, you know, each, each of the five year chunks and put them in a book that's about an inch thick. And so that's been kind of scary at first and terrifying. Because I took a photo of it and then I [00:09:00] ripped the scrapbook layout apart and recycled some of the embellishments. And really and took the pictures off and you know put them away. But then threw the stuff in the garbage, which was absolutely terrifying.

But then now having those two books are amazing. Because I literally I had questions from a couple of my kids recently like, oh, my son was like, mom do you have a picture of me skating when I was a kid? Figure skating that I can show my girlfriend? She doesn't believe me. And I'm like, yeah, look in your family memories photo book.

And he's like, oh, yeah, it's in there. And then my other one was like, do you have a picture of me, with my Halloween costume over my snowsuit. I'm like, yeah, look in your family memories book. And it was, it's been great actually in the end. And so now on my shelf, I have 20 years worth of scrapbooks. One for each year in a nice little unit that my husband built. And, uh, yeah, I'm looking forward to filling up 2025 through [00:10:00] 2029 now.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh, that's really exciting. And yeah, as you said, kind of terrifying as a scrapbooker to deconstruct. But there's a certain catharsis to that, I'm sure as well.

Dawn Cervo: Oh yeah, there was.

Jennifer Wilson: Now you said that you actually, uh, tried to save, I'm sure you, maybe not every photo was able to be saved, but as many as you could. Is that accurate?

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, I mean if I, and I double checked when I put it away in my system that if I had a duplicate that was whole and hadn't been cropped, then, because I did, I did, I have made a lot of duplicates in the past, obviously, as a scrapbooker. And so I do try and always keep the original. And if I had, um, it already, then I just got rid of the one that I was trying to tuck in there.

Jennifer Wilson: All right. So let's like go back in time here. Um, I'd love to hear more about how creativity and specifically scrapbooking came into your life. Um, I kinda, I, I love these stories particularly since I think a lot of us had, uh, some sort of creative activities [00:11:00] as a child that we can still see in ourselves today.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah. Very interesting. I love talking about creativity for sure. And honestly, as a child, I didn't believe that I was creative. Even as a young adult, I didn't think I was creative. I wasn't artsy. But, I mean, I kind of did the gamut of crafts as I came into adulthood. So, you know, it started with cross stitch and then tried knitting and, you know, got into tole painting in the day and, you know, all that.

And so these things kind of flexed my creative muscles as I got older. But I remember, I think, gosh, I think I saw a magazine first for scrapbooking. Then I was like, what is this? I must do this immediately. And I'm one of those, as an ADHD er, I've, like I said, tried a lot of crafts throughout my life, but this one has really [00:12:00] stuck.

And, and I remember calling the local CM gal and saying, okay, you have to give me a private class like right now, cause I need to know what this is. Cause I want to do this. Right. And so I've done so many crafts, but this one has really stuck. It's been almost 30 years and I think it's that like instant gratification of getting a layout done. Because, you know, unlike a sweater that takes months to knit and you get bored of it and you tuck it away or I could never do quilting.

Like someone said to me, well, quilting is just like scrapbooking, but with fabric. And I'm like, yeah, but I hate sewing.

Jennifer Wilson: Yes. Yes. There is a difference there for sure.

Yeah, the gratification.

Dawn Cervo: It was only a few years ago that I felt I was truly able to call myself an artist because of this craft of scrapbooking.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh, I love that. That's yeah. I think the, those feelings that we have and those things that we tell ourselves about who we are and are not, [00:13:00] um, I love how age and wisdom helps us kind of reset some of those. Yeah, it's a, it's a really fascinating thing and I think we'll probably get more into it to hear more about your other interests, but I did have one more question. You mentioned tole painting.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: What is that?

Dawn Cervo: Oh, um, I don't know if you remember, people had like wood cutouts, and then you would paint them. So you'd make like, It was really nice to just take acrylic paints and there were different patterns and you could like paint little snowmen on a mitten cut out of wood or, you know, things like that. I've made my kids a couple of Christmas ornaments that way. My ex sister in law used to do them. And she made beautiful pieces. And so it inspired me to try and pick it up, but it wasn't long lived.

Jennifer Wilson: Okay. Okay. Okay. So fast forwarding to today and this current season of life, um, you mentioned you're retired. What needs do scrapbooking and crafting satisfy for you?

Dawn Cervo: [00:14:00] Oh, gosh, it's, it's everything. My husband knows when I've gone too long without crafting as I can actually get quite snappy if I don't get into my studio. And so he's always very supportive. Um, we have a short term vacation rental downstairs in our house. And so in January, I booked it off for three days and my girlfriends came to, came over and we try and go on a retreat once a year too.

So that's always really nice. But, um, and especially, you know, during the pandemic, I spent more time scrapbooking than I ever have. And I think it was that innate need to create something and to prove to myself that I was here and it was all going to be okay. Because as an empath, I really needed that, you know, I needed some assurance that we would all get through it.

Jennifer Wilson: Yes, for sure. I mean, it was, uh, difficult for everyone, but I think those who, who feel more and think more, [00:15:00] perhaps. Um, it was, it could, to the point of being, I think, devastating. It was, I was just telling my daughter yesterday that I'd always had anxiety, but it was really the pandemic that set it to a place that was concerning. Um, and that I needed to get help for it. Um, so yeah, it's so interesting.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, so much for all of us. And, you know, it, last night when I was preparing for this discussion today, it reminded me of a couple quotes that I've come across, and one of them is actually from your members, um, uh, one of your members. Uh, but in her book, Clean and Simple, The Sequel, Cathy Zielske mentions a quote from Felix Gonzalez Torres that Ali Edwards had had on her blog, and it's always stuck with me.

And it just says, Above all else, it is about leaving a mark that I existed. I was here. I was hungry. I was defeated. I was happy. I was sad. I was in love. I was afraid. I was hopeful. I had an idea, and I had a [00:16:00] good purpose, and that's why I made works of art.

Jennifer Wilson: I love that. I love that so much.

Dawn Cervo: I love that. It's always stuck with me and I went searching for it last night. Like I know it's in one of my books somewhere. And then also one of the things I actually kind of put on my Instagram bio after I heard one of your members say it was this quote. And you know, I think you asked us during the planning party, why do we scrapbook?

And she said, it checks all my boxes. Family, friends, events, travel, art, storytelling, photography. Connecting the past, the present and or the future with a simple photo, a few sentences and some beautiful paper. And that was from Denise Okita, a member of the Simple Scrapper community. I wrote that down right away because I was like, oh my god, that just hits it.

Jennifer Wilson: Wonderful. Yes, we have such great conversations in there are, um, you were at our member meeting last night, right? Where we were discussing [00:17:00] modern friendship. And that was just, um, it was, it was a point of like being kind of intense because it was just a lot of like feeling shared. And I'm just, I'm feeling so, I'm so grateful that our members feel like the community is a safe space, um, to be themselves, to share their stories. And cause, cause we all need that for sure. So tell me more about your current projects and interests. What are the things that you're writing down on your journey plan? Um, things that are on your desk right now?

Dawn Cervo: Um, yeah, so of course there's the three School of Life albums, photo books that I'm doing for each of my children. And as I said, perhaps if I could organize one day for each of my two step sons. But, um, like a few other members in Simple Scrapper, I've been doing Miss Freddy's Backup Boot Camp and trying to make sense of all our digital photos and have them really backed up properly and in a home that makes sense.

And focusing on completing [00:18:00] my yearly albums. So I do have to go back once I'm finished 2024 and go back and make sure those first five years that I've gotten my bookshelf are completed. So that when it comes time in 2029 to rip them apart and put them in a photo book, they're ready. And then I'm also going I'm also really big into genealogy. Which I think a lot of us are because it kind of forays into scrapbooking as well and telling the stories of your family.

I know you're big into it with your Swedish heritage. Mm hmm. And then I also make, um, sun catcher art made with glass beads on chicken wire in wooden frames. So I've been doing that a little bit in the past years. And yeah, I, I kind of dabble in a lot of things. And actually one of the things I'm doing right now, reading is a hobby of course. I don't read too much, but I found this wonderful, um, book, it's, it's, The Great Gatsby, but it's called a progressive translation. And it starts in English with a few [00:19:00] German words sprinkled in and it ends mostly in German with a few English words sprinkled in. And so the fellow has made it in German and French right now. So my sister bought the French one and I bought the German one. It's actually been quite good, quite interesting.

Jennifer Wilson: That is so fascinating. I do not have the ability. I do not have a second language with. But for those that do, that's a really interesting way to read it and maybe even develop confidence in your abilities as you go through it.

Um, so I know your crafting is kind of one facet, one passion of many and maybe this larger space of personal development. Um, can you tell us about your other interests besides making things?

Dawn Cervo: Yeah. So personal development has always been a passion of mine as well. I've always been extremely interested in it. So in 2016, I became an internationally certified life coach. Did a bit of life coaching back then. And as I mentioned before, I'm also a certified mystic. And I've [00:20:00] been certified in two of Rebecca Campbell's oracle decks, The Healing Waters and The Sacred Rose.

And I've always, always got my nose in some new course. Like, I've recently been teaching myself how to use Procreate. And I've been taking a course from Kelly Rae Roberts and doing some online tutorials. In the hope that someday I can maybe use that tool to adequately express my mystical experiences in a visual format.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh, I love that. I love, yeah, how you can explore new interests, develop new skills and link together things that you're already doing in new ways. Um, it just kind of enriches the experience.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Was there a turning point that really spurred a deeper interest in your spiritual life? Or was it a more gradual evolution that came out of always having an interest in, in personal growth?

Dawn Cervo: Well, I think it's been gradual. I mean, it's [00:21:00] always been there. And as I mentioned previously, I think my ADHD kind of takes me all over the map and there's constantly something new on my horizon. And I used to feel bad about not being able to stick with one thing. And years ago, I remember I heard Elizabeth Gilbert and how she described it.

You know, when she said it, I felt so much better. She said, or rather than having huge anxiety about not knowing what my passion was or is, or in my case, why it kept changing constantly. She kind of compares it to being a hummingbird. And simply following your curiosity to see where it can take you.

Jennifer Wilson: I love that.

Dawn Cervo: And yeah, and now that, you know, I could, I could live with that and not get so stressed out about not knowing what my passion is because it changes weekly. And I embraced kind of being this renaissance woman and discovering all the things. I mean, at this point In my life, it's really [00:22:00] about the spiritual renaissance that I'm going through. And finding the sacred in every day and celebrating the geometry of a pine cone or a rose. Or, um, knowing that I kind of believe that there has to be a higher power that's created this. 'Cause it's so intricate and so delicate and so beautiful. And it just, that's what makes me happy these days and really sing makes my spirit sing.

Jennifer Wilson: Well, and then that, that, that belief that there's things that yes, science can understand, but also things that you can't. And I think that's something that those who maybe consider themselves more spiritual. As well as those who consider themselves more religious, uh, can share in common of that, uh, belief in something that we can't fully comprehend.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, and I, you know, if there's someone who's kind of unfamiliar with what I'm talking about, or even skeptical of these tools, you [00:23:00] know, or whatever. I would just say, be open to your own personal journey. Like whatever that looks like, you know, follow your own curiosity. I mean, I have deep reverence for all different faith paths. And so like, faith journaling, I guess you could say this is what my version of that looks like right now.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh, for sure. Yes. Yes. When I think sometimes, you know, the term woo, and I've seen you use that before. On, uh, Like that can be a little bit loaded or, um, people have certain kind of misconceptions about what that really means. Um, how would you define that word?

Dawn Cervo: I mean, like you say, we, some people are really into science and that's great, and they believe that science is the be all end all, and some people are a little bit into the woo. And that's okay too. And I think the woo is kind of having a comeback with a lot of people online. Um, you know, talking about, visioning and vision [00:24:00] boards and manifesting.

And some people are even into the witchy stuff seems to be really popular. And, you know, that's not my thing, but you know, it's, it's a faith path. Whether you celebrate the, I, I celebrate the Celtic seasons because that's my heritage as well, you know? So yeah, you can go, it's just a personal journey and it's all good.

Jennifer Wilson: So diving into, um, visioning and vision planning, I know you've taught courses on this in the past. Can you tell us more about what that looks like, the scope and purpose of that type of exercise. And how it might help someone with their scrapbooking or their kind of creative path in general.

Dawn Cervo: Mm hmm. So I've been vision planning for a long time now without even realizing it. And that can be as simple as writing in the back of your day planner, like a little manifestation list, like, like I did when I manifested my husband almost 20 years ago. And, uh, you know, it can be, uh, or creating several pages in your planner.

[00:25:00] What I do is I create several pages dedicated to the different areas of my life. Like two pages are health, next two pages are wealth. Next two pages are travel, home, soul, even your crafting. Like, Let's say you envision creating 20 mini albums in one year. I mean, I could certainly put that in my vision planner, but I probably wouldn't.

But like any project, you'd have to like reverse engineer it and break it down into one to three mini albums per month. Vision planning is kind of more big picture. It's like, instead of a, I always say instead of a vision board on the wall, because you know how that goes. We all, we make a vision board and it's great and it looks lovely.

And then the adhesive starts to give out and it kind of goes wonky on the wall or falls down on the floor. And we're like, okay, I'm just going to put that beside my desk and then I'll fix it. But then it gets shoved in the back of the closet, right. And so I actually have used a Happy Planner for a few years. And I've put a section for my vision planner inside my Happy Planner. And so because I [00:26:00] can remove it and move it around. And so it's kind of more big picture. Keeping your spiritual vibration high, really feeling how it will feel once that thing comes into your life. And yeah, I'm so good at manifesting now. I don't even have to write it down. Because, for example, I was scrapbooking with my girlfriends, as I said, for a few days last month.

Um, I would think it was January 20th to 23rd. And I actually mentioned that one of the things I was going to put in my vision planner this year was that I wanted to be a guest on the Simple Scrapper podcast.

Jennifer Wilson: Wow.

Dawn Cervo: And then lo and behold, you contacted me only 10 days later. And I, I was at my girlfriend's scrapbooking with her and I was jumping up and down and I was shaking.

I was so excited. I'm like, you know, it still blows my mind after 20 years that I've been doing this, that I can create this beautiful life in this way. And it's an interesting process. And [00:27:00] manifesting is like a muscle that you have to exercise. But writing down your desires. Or your goals, as we say. In a planner or creating a mini album out of it is a really great place to start.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh, I love that. I love that so much. Yeah. You had reached out a while back and I had you on a list of, you know, potential future guests and it, like, I was just getting, you know, a feeling of like, Oh, this is the right time to, to ask her to, to come on.

Dawn Cervo: Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing.

Jennifer Wilson: I'm curious how you address changes when you're looking at your plan. So like you, you say, okay, I want this. Maybe let's just say, I really want to travel to this place and I want to do it this way. What if you decide that you don't want to do that anymore?

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, and that happens all the time, right? Our, our, our passions, our visions change for ourselves, depending what's going on in our lives, for sure. And that's what [00:28:00] I love about my vision planner. I just pop the page out and I'll either take the photo of whatever I was trying to manifest off. Every six months, I usually revisit it. And, I'll just pop the photo off and go, you know what, my priorities have changed, that's not important to me anymore. I think what's important to me is X, or whatever, you know, like, going to Amsterdam instead, or wherever. Like that, you know, Montserrat, Spain, so yeah, that worked out really well for me. So, yeah, it's, it's changeable, it's all fluid, it's all changeable. Um, And I tend to focus on one or two large manifestations at a time.

I will put everything in my vision planner, but I really try and focus on one or two. Like, I actually manifested my redundancy from my job, and it took 18 months. And I literally did it by every time I turned the page in my work notebook, I wrote on the bottom, I'm so happy that my position has been [00:29:00] made redundant.

They've given me a large payout, da, da, da, da, da. And so literally for 18 months, I was writing that every day. And then it started happening. I could see the writing on the wall and I was like, Oh my God, it's happening. And it was really an interesting process because sometimes we have a lot of fear around what we think we really want. And of course that fear started building inside of me because like oh my god I'm gonna get laid off and I'm not gonna have that magic paycheck every two weeks in my bank account. Like what are we gonna do? And how are we gonna pay the mortgage? And it was a point where this turning point came and once I released the fear around that and realized everything's gonna be okay. It's all gonna be alright. That's when it happened. It was like boom that week. It was crazy.

Jennifer Wilson: What kind of resources or avenues of exploration would you recommend for someone who is now intrigued in this line of thinking and living?

Dawn Cervo: So somebody I found recently on Instagram is [00:30:00] Matt Cooke, Cook with an E. He's really amazing. I'm really loving his stuff. He's got great little videos and just really powerful messages for people who might be interested in starting to vision. Um, so yeah. It's a great resource.

Jennifer Wilson: Very cool. This has been so interesting. I've loved getting to know you better. Um, next time. You want to do this again? Just think about it and we'll make it happen.

Dawn Cervo: Ooh, sounds wonderful. I'll just think about it. Yeah, poof!

Jennifer Wilson: Um, Dawn, can you share where our listeners can find you online? Anything you might have new or coming up later this year?

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, so I'm usually hanging out on Instagram. My username is at Dawn Cervo. All one word, C E R V O. And, um, ooh, what's coming up? I mean, I think just, uh, getting ready to travel back to Germany again, probably in the spring. So we [00:31:00] try and see my mother in law twice a year. Um, since my father in law died, you know, and my dad died, it's been really important to my husband to get over there twice a year.

So yeah, we're prepping for that.

Jennifer Wilson: Now, how is your mother in law's English? Would she be able to take advantage of that, uh, Great Gatsby copy?

Dawn Cervo: Oh, her English is excellent actually. Her and my, yeah, my husband's uncle, he used to listen to the BBC all the time. He speaks perfect accent free English. The whole family speaks English very well, so I got really lucky.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, very cool. No, that's very cool, especially in terms of, well, a lot of things, I'm sure.

Dawn Cervo: Yeah, it's wonderful.

Jennifer Wilson: Dawn, again, thank you so much for spending time with me.

Dawn Cervo: Thank you so much for having me, Jennifer. I look forward to it, and I'm so happy I'm back in the Simple Scrapper community again. I've been in and out, off and on over the years, and I'm just loving it. And, uh, yeah, it's, it's helped, inspiring me to get a lot of work done.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh, I love to [00:32:00] hear that. Thank you so much. And to all of our listeners, please remember that you have permission to scrapbook your way.