SYW259 – How to Keep Scrapbooking Fresh

[00:01:16] Jennifer Wilson: Welcome to Scrapbook Your Way, the show that explores the breadth of ways to be a memory keeper today. I’m your host, Jennifer Wilson, owner of Simple Scrapper and author of The New Rules of Scrapbooking.

This is episode 259. In this episode I’m chatting with Neela Nalam about how to keep scrapbooking fresh over the long term with new projects and different formats.

[00:01:43] Jennifer Wilson: Hey Neela. Welcome to Scrapbook Your Way.

[00:01:45] Neela Nalam: Thank you so much, Jennifer. Thank you for having me.

[00:01:48] Jennifer Wilson: I am excited to chat with you today. Can you start by sharing just a little bit about yourself?

[00:01:52] Neela Nalam: Sure. Yeah. I currently live in, uh, Goleta California. I'm married and have two boys. Uh, they're not so little anymore. I always used to introduce, uh, myself as a mom of two little boys. But, uh, they're 19 and 13 right now. Uh, the 19-year-old is a sophomore at, uh, college, and the 13-year-old is an eighth grader. I've been living here now for, uh, about 25 years, and before that I used to live in India. Um, specifically Bangalore is the city I grew up in. And I also work full-time and I'm a software engineer by profession.

[00:02:30] Jennifer Wilson: Okay, cool. Now, did you meet your husband before you moved from India or after you moved to the us?

[00:02:36] Neela Nalam: No, actually, uh, I was in India. Uh, his sister, uh, was a friend of mine and she kind of introduced us and so it was like a long distance relationship for a little bit. Uh, and yeah, I got married and came here. So he came here to the US to do his masters at UCSB.

[00:02:57] Jennifer Wilson: Okay.

[00:02:58] Neela Nalam: Uh, he kind of, yeah, uh, continued living here and that's, that's why I am here.

[00:03:04] Jennifer Wilson: I understand that. That's why I am in central Illinois myself, so. So I love to ask our guests what is exciting them right now. So what's going on in your crafty life and the rest of your life?

[00:03:17] Neela Nalam: So, um, non crafty stuff. Uh, I just finished the 30 day Yoga, uh, journey series that Start by Adrian. Um, it's a YouTube series. Uh, I think a lot of scrapbookers are familiar with her for some reason. Maybe Ali Edwards recommended. At one time and oh my God, it is amazing just doing those 30 days. Um, how I feel in my body and mind. It was great going through that journey, and I really hope to continue for the rest of the year because she's done it in previous years too.

[00:03:53] Jennifer Wilson: Oh, that sounds amazing.

[00:03:55] Neela Nalam: Yeah, as for the. As for a scrapbooking related thing, um, uh, what I really like is this whole stamp set with metal dies. The pairing of the stamp sets and metal dies.

[00:04:09] Neela Nalam: Uh, I kind of discovered it last year when I got onto the Ellie Studio design team. Man, I loved it so much. I had not tried this whole metal die uh, thing before. And, uh, having and being able to stamp and cut it out with the metal dies I really liked that. And, uh, yeah, metal dies in general seems so much fun to use.

[00:04:32] Jennifer Wilson: I totally agree. I just, I am not a card maker, but I just ordered a whole bunch of stuff from Concord and Ninth and it was all die and stamp sets, which I'm really excited to use.

[00:04:43] Neela Nalam: Yes, I, I ordered some from Concord and Ninth also, the birds stamp set. I don't know if you saw those. Uh, it was like a little, uh, bird and bird stamps and bird dies. And a happy bird today theme going along with it. My God, I could not stop myself.

[00:05:05] Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. It's so interesting how some craft sectors have like their core tools and others maybe use different things. But then when we start to get overlap, we're like, oh my gosh, this thing is such as a manual die cut machine. Like, it's not like scrapbookers haven't been using these, but I definitely see there is a resurgence.

[00:05:24] Neela Nalam: Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love those metal dies. Uh, also Altanew has like really good stamp sets and metal dies. I don't know if you have tried any of those, um, beautiful, uh, stamps and dies.

[00:05:38] Jennifer Wilson: I think I have a couple. You know, I, I'm, I keep getting some in like Crop and Create kits or like gift with purchase things. So my collection seems to be growing very fast.

[00:05:50] Neela Nalam: Yeah. Yeah. And it's, the thing is, once you kind of, I, I kind of got into card making in the middle of last year. I did like a workshop, uh, by Altanew. And wow. I loved it. I, I'm not a card maker at all actually. And I just love the whole, it's like the same type of tools, but it is still so different.

[00:06:14] Jennifer Wilson: Very, yes.

[00:06:16] Neela Nalam: Yeah. I love that.

[00:06:17] Jennifer Wilson: So the other question we ask all of our guests is about their memory keeping bucket list. So is there an important story that you want to tell and for some reason haven't done yet?

[00:06:27] Neela Nalam: It's, um, really not, um, stories, but more like projects I feel like I need to, uh, complete. Um, I, uh, have not completed my, uh, son's first year album, both my son's first year albums. I really want to complete those. I want to collect all the photos in the order of the 12 months. Then, um, I don't think I remember too many stories anymore, but at least have like scrapbooks for them, uh, you know, um, of their first year.

[00:06:59] Jennifer Wilson: Yes.

[00:06:59] Neela Nalam: And, um, I got into scrapbooking because of, uh, when my oldest son was born, but I never completed that album. So I would love to finish those.

[00:07:10] Jennifer Wilson: I don't think you're alone in that, um, that particular unfinished project item. Maybe we, we need to all like come together and have a finishing event just around our children's baby books.

[00:07:24] Neela Nalam: That would be so good. I know.

[00:07:26] Jennifer Wilson: So one of the points that I really wanted to focus on today with you is how to keep your scrapbooking fresh and interesting and motivating. So maybe you could start by giving us a little bit more context, um, about your hobby so that we can, you know, picture ourselves in it. So, how long have you been scrapbooking?

[00:07:48] Neela Nalam: Yeah, so I have been scrapbooking since 2004. That's when my oldest son was born. You know, a lot of us kind of, I think, get. Into scrapbooking because you have a baby and then you're like, oh, I want to make their baby books. Um, I have always been into some sort of art or another. I used to do a lot of pencil sketching and little bit of painting. Um, also I used to make collages as a kid, like collect magazines, cut, cut photos, and, uh, scraps from the magazine and make collages and stuff.

[00:08:21] Jennifer Wilson: Oh yeah, that was the best.

[00:08:24] Neela Nalam: I know the first time I saw a scrapbook was when, one of my colleagues at work got her scrapbook to work and then, it was beautiful. Scrapbook pages and pattern paper and stickers. When I saw that, I knew this was it. This is what I had to be doing for the rest of my life. So, and then she took me shopping to Michael's, and that was the beginning of my scrapbook journey.

[00:08:51] Jennifer Wilson: So when do you get to spend time on your scrapbooking? I'm sure working a full-time job, you don't have as much time as you would love.

[00:08:58] Neela Nalam: Yeah, it's it's usually, after dinner, so in the nights is when I scrapbook. And a little bit, uh, in the weekends. Uh, that's about all the time I get, and I'm not a prolific scrapbooker at all. So I just do, I don't scrapbook every day or anything like that. So whenever I have time.

[00:09:19] Jennifer Wilson: So, I know you're on at least one design team. How much of the products that you're bringing in and the creating you're doing is for the teams versus things that you purchase and, and come up with for yourself?

[00:09:31] Neela Nalam: Right. So as I said, since I'm not a very prolific scrapbooker, uh, since I'm on the design team, I think 75 to 80% of my projects are pretty much, uh, geared towards

[00:09:43] Neela Nalam: the, uh, design team requirements. And then, um, yeah. Uh, and, and the rest of the 20% or so, I, I have a lot of products. So I need to finish using all of, I mean, I've, I've, um, subscribed to Ali Edwards over the years, Studio Calico over the years. I still have, uh, Studio Calico kids, uh, starting from 2012. So I would really love to, um, use all of that product.

[00:10:11] Jennifer Wilson: Wow, that's amazing. You know, those, like some of those items from the very beginning, the, it's, it's been so long with those trends I think have come back around. So I think you're, they would look very fresh and new today.

[00:10:24] Neela Nalam: Yeah, I know. Oh, where did you get this? This is amazing. Yeah, it's from 2012.

[00:10:30] Jennifer Wilson: So I've noticed that you've worked in a variety of sizes and formats over the years from Traveler's Notebook on the smaller end to 12 by 12 layouts and everything in be in between. How often do you like to change up your approach?

[00:10:44] Neela Nalam: Yeah, so initially I was just stuck on 12 by 12. And then, uh, Studio Calico I think started like nine by 12 albums. And then I'm like, okay, these are slightly smaller and maybe better to handle. So I, I moved to nine by 12. And then, um, yeah, ever since, with all the smaller sizes, it's exciting to go back and forth.

[00:11:06] Neela Nalam: I still use a lot of nine by 12, and it really depends. Uh, as of now, like right now, it really depends on the products and the photos. So, and then I switch, switch the size up based on that.

[00:11:20] Jennifer Wilson: So could you talk more about like, the products you have in front of you or the photos that you have and how that would determine what sizes you're choosing.

[00:11:30] Neela Nalam: Yeah. So, um, I feel like if, if I have a set of photos, like a holiday album that I want to create, then I'll, I'll pick up like a six by eight album. Then, um, kind of try to fill that with my, uh, travel photos to tell, to tell a story of like five to 10 days, a six by eight album is better. And December Daily for sure. Um, it is a six by eight album. I always use that. One year I try to use the 10 by eight album and I'm like, oh my God, this is huge. Um. So, so yeah, I, I just changed the sizes based on, um, what I, the story I want to tell. Uh, if it's just like a, okay, it's a outing and then I have like 10 photos, and then, uh, then I'll, I'll make like a nine by 12 pocket page, uh, layout. Something like that.

[00:12:23] Jennifer Wilson: So it's often geared towards the number of photos too.

[00:12:26] Neela Nalam: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:12:29] Jennifer Wilson: And how do you store your completed pages and projects?

[00:12:32] Neela Nalam: So I'm very lucky to have a scrapbook room. So I have a shelf full of albums right now. Um, uh, yeah, it's basically in my scrapbook room on the shelves. And that's that's pretty much, um, six by eight albums, nine by 12 albums, 12 by 12 albums, all sorts of sizes.

[00:12:56] Jennifer Wilson: Now, are your pages stored, like if we're talking individual layouts, in the order that you complete them or by year by Library of Memories?

[00:13:04] Neela Nalam: No, not really. So I started off like that and initially I have a few albums. Uh, some of them are, uh, for my younger son. Some of them are my, for my older son. But as time has passed, having, I don't know, having some sort of a restriction kind of always stops me from even creating. So for me it's like, I don't care. I'll just make a project or a layout today. And it might not be of current photos. It might be like from the past or it might be like photos from today, but they're all mixed up.

[00:13:43] Jennifer Wilson: Sure. Sure.

[00:13:43] Neela Nalam: All my, yeah, all my layouts are all like mixed up. So, and I'm okay with that.

[00:13:50] Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, I think when you're working in so many sizes, there often needs to be that kind of permission or comfort with yourself to do that because it's not, you know, it's not a start to finish project.

[00:14:03] Neela Nalam: Right, right. Because it's like, maybe I told half the story of a trip in this size, and then the other half is maybe in, in this other size. Just because I that day, or you know, based on the products, I just felt like, okay, this is what I want to use. So they're all mixed up.

[00:14:20] Jennifer Wilson: Why do you think variety is an important part of how you stay motivated?

[00:14:24] Neela Nalam: I get bored very quickly. So having, having like the same size all the time, uh, kind of, I think, I think. Just to get the creative juices flowing. I feel like I need to have all of these different sizes and these different varieties of books that I can fill and maybe bring out like different types of products.

[00:14:46] Neela Nalam: Maybe I want to paint on one, maybe I want to kind of, uh, um, I don't know, cut die cut on few others. And I think just having all these different sizes, enable me to use all my different products and, you know, keep it interesting.

[00:15:04] Jennifer Wilson: Are there any sizes or formats that you really don't reach for at all, or you've tried like you don't want to, or you've tried and realize they didn't work for you?

[00:15:11] Neela Nalam: I'm trying to think about that. Um, Project Life was something I always felt like, okay, I need to start doing Project Life. I know this is not a size or a format, but it's a, type of scrapbooking.

[00:15:24] Neela Nalam: Um, it's again, it, there are so many rules for Project Life is like, I have to keep up. I have to keep up.

[00:15:32] Neela Nalam: I just don't want to, uh, have that sort of a restriction. So I never started Project Life. I never, uh, felt that comfortable with that. So. Other than that, I think I've tried every single size possible travelers notebooks, nine by 12, 12 by 12, 10 by eight. And oh, I also tried, um, um, Heidi Swapps' Storyline chapter books?

[00:15:59] Neela Nalam: Yeah.

[00:15:59] Neela Nalam: I love that. I love that. Those books actually, I, I, since I wanted to try something new, I bought that last year and I filled that book, uh, with just stories, whatever stories I felt like telling. So I love that book.

[00:16:14] Jennifer Wilson: I am curious because you do use pocket pages, even though you've never done Project Life, how do you think about kind of the composition and telling a story across a pocket page versus a layout?

[00:16:26] Neela Nalam: So a, a pocket page I feel, I feel like is, is, uh. Is the, the way you approach like a layout and a pocket page is quite different. The the pocket page, you have the three by four cards, and then I kind of concentrate on embellishing each of those three by four cards by themselves. So it's like, contained space. And whereas like for a layout, it's much more free flowing. And I love to use circles a lot, so I fill layouts with all sorts of shapes, circles, and I, and I said like painting and, and you're not limited by the size. I mean, of course you have a nine by 12 size or 12 by 12 size. But you know, you're not limited to the three by four contained space.

[00:17:17] Neela Nalam: Um. I like the simplicity of the pocket pages. Of course, you can be extremely creative in the three by four pocket page space also. And I, I like the creativity that you can kind of use for a 9 by 12 layout. So, yeah, it's, it's interesting to kind of think differently for both of those styles.

[00:17:39] Jennifer Wilson: Well, and it, yeah, it uses different, like, it's a different mental process. And so I think that also is what keeps it interesting because it's not, you're not solving the same kind of challenges with each.

[00:17:50] Neela Nalam: Uh, it can, yeah, I feel like it can get very boring doing the same type of project.

[00:17:54] Jennifer Wilson: Mm-Hmm.

[00:17:54] Neela Nalam: Again and again. So at least that's, that's, uh, that's for me, um, changing it out always keeps it interesting.

[00:18:02] Jennifer Wilson: I would love to hear more about what you're really enjoying this year. Are you doing more inside the pocket type things, particularly in the six by eight size, um, or more outside the pocket?

[00:18:12] Neela Nalam: The, so I, I just finished my December Daily. Um, so 25 days of December Daily. Um, it was, it was, uh, fun to do. And, uh, for December Daily, I always do pretty much outside the pocket. Uh, it's, it's, um, I, I want to make it more interactive and it's always outside the pocket page. Um, whereas, most of the nine by 12 projects that I do are inside the pocket.

[00:18:42] Neela Nalam: And since I am on the design team for Ellie Studio, um, she has a kit that is, that contains a lot of three by four, uh, cards. So I end up doing a lot of nine by 12 pocket pages for that.

[00:18:57] Jennifer Wilson: Do you, and, and maybe this is just something that I, maybe it was a, uh, how do I say this? My sample size for this, uh, assumption or hypothesis is one, it's looking through your Instagram, but I, in talking with others, I do think that there's been so much conversation and encouragement and beautiful inspiration for outside the pockets. There's almost this kind of, uh, pull for a lot of people to start putting things back inside the pockets. Because it, it is easier, more streamlined, a little bit simpler. And I'm just wondering if you, if you felt that at all.

[00:19:31] Neela Nalam: Totally. So I feel like it's project dependent for, for whatever reason. I think everybody, the whole December Daily community has moved towards outside the pocket for, for that project. So for that project, for a six by eight album, I do a lot of outside the pocket, uh, kind of , layouts. But once December Daily is done, I want to simplify the whole process because each page in December Daily, I put, I mean, I think everybody does this.

[00:20:03] Neela Nalam: They put a lot of thought and you know, a lot of creativity goes on in those pages. But I think it's hard to sustain that throughout the year. Um, and to do something every day is pretty hard for me at least. So being able to do a simple pocket page is something that I like.

[00:20:21] Jennifer Wilson: Hmm.

[00:20:22] Neela Nalam: Outside the December Daily realm, I should say.

[00:20:25] Jennifer Wilson: Yes. So how do you feel about layouts these days?

[00:20:29] Neela Nalam: I still like layouts. Um, as, as we have talked, uh, through this, uh, interview, is that I like the creativity and, you know, like, um, not having that contained, uh, feeling about layouts. So I, I still make nine by 12 layouts quite a bit. Um, I, I, I like that it's more free flowing.

[00:20:52] Jennifer Wilson: Do you ever make two page layouts?

[00:20:54] Neela Nalam: No, almost never. Two page layouts. Have I ever made two page layouts? I have made like pocket pages, which are like kind of maybe two pages, span over two pages, but I don't think I've ever made two page layouts.

[00:21:09] Jennifer Wilson: That's okay. I'm just curious.

[00:21:12] Neela Nalam: Have you made any two page layouts?

[00:21:14] Jennifer Wilson: I have, but it took some practice because I didn't start that way. I started as a digital scrapbooker, then moved to paper in like around 2011, um, single pages. And so I've had to kind of teach myself, okay, how do we, how do we construct this? It was a lot of like, here's a layout and then a grid next to it, either in a pocket or just like a photo collage. But I've, I've been playing with it.

[00:21:39] Neela Nalam: I might have made, though, I might have made an eight by, um, uh, what, what's the eight by 11 size? I think.

[00:21:48] Jennifer Wilson: Mm-Hmm.

[00:21:48] Neela Nalam: I think I have made like side by side, uh, pages, like where the photo has spanned over the two, uh, pages.

[00:21:57] Jennifer Wilson: Yes.

[00:21:57] Neela Nalam: It's a smaller size. Not for 12 By 12.

[00:22:00] Jennifer Wilson: Yes. I love eight and a half by 11 for, for single and double page layouts. It's a fun size.

[00:22:05] Neela Nalam: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:06] Neela Nalam: That I, I think I have made, actually, I, I taught a class at Big Picture Classes that's called Big Impact.

[00:22:13] Jennifer Wilson: Uh huh.

[00:22:13] Neela Nalam: It's all about like, uh, large photos. How do you scrapbook large photos. And so that was one of the things is to divide the photo, uh, across the two pages I have made a two page layout. Yes.

[00:22:28] Jennifer Wilson: There you go. Yes.

[00:22:29] Neela Nalam: Yeah. Memories.

[00:22:31] Jennifer Wilson: Well, I think when there's so many different ways that we can do this, and there's of course always new things coming out. The creativity of trying something new is often inspiring and it's fun and that will lend us towards doing a lot of different things.

[00:22:47] Neela Nalam: Right, right.

[00:22:48] Jennifer Wilson: So is there anything you're looking forward to trying or starting this year?

[00:22:53] Neela Nalam: So I bought this, uh, scrappy spiral notebook from Heba Alsibai. Um, from her Etsy shop this year. So I have only made the introduction page and she has like four different templates throughout the album. It's a spiral notebook so you can like kind of, uh, you know. What do you say, fold the book over and it's easy to work in. And, um, I'm absolutely looking forward to work on, on, uh, in that book. And so she has four different templates and I've made, um, uh, Photoshop templates where, uh, I can easily edit my photos using those masks. And, um, I'm looking forward to work in that book. I have not made any pages as such, like pages with photos yet, but. It should be a fun journey this year.

[00:23:45] Jennifer Wilson: I am curious if uh, what would you advise someone who maybe didn't have a lot of hybrid skills for doing that type of project? Or do you think it is just best suited for someone who can, can use a Photoshop template to make the photos the exact size you need them?

[00:24:02] Neela Nalam: I think just having those templates makes it very easy.

[00:24:07] Jennifer Wilson: Mm-Hmm.

[00:24:07] Neela Nalam: I mean, in order to print the photos of those sizes, you have no choice but to kind of, um, edit, edit the photos. Um, yeah, I, I don't know. I don't know how else, um, you don't have to have the templates. You can edit each individual photo to the size you want and print it out.

[00:24:30] Jennifer Wilson: Oh, certainly.

[00:24:31] Neela Nalam: But, yeah.

[00:24:33] Jennifer Wilson: I think maybe like the Print To Size app. I'm trying to think of maybe someone who's using only their phone, um, might work as well. Um, you just had to know, you know, the dimensions of each box.

[00:24:44] Neela Nalam: Right, right. Yeah. So that's what I did. I went and measured each dimension, and then I drew boxes out and created my, uh, masks, the clipping masks. I have never used any, um, photo editing software in, um, in my phone, actually. I have never used my phone to edit photos. I have only ever used either Lightroom. Or, uh, Photoshop Elements?

[00:25:10] Jennifer Wilson: Okay. Do you use the Lightroom app on your phone at all then? No?

[00:25:14] Neela Nalam: No, I have not. So ever since it, it became, uh, where you have to kind of subscribe.

[00:25:20] Jennifer Wilson: Yes.

[00:25:23] Neela Nalam: I lost even on my, on my computer. Uh, I lost my app, I mean my Lightroom app. And then, uh, I have not gone gotten into that, but. Um, I have seen Kelly Ishmael kind of giving really good tips about using Lightroom on the phone. I should, I should get onto it.

[00:25:42] Jennifer Wilson: Because you can you can edit with it even if you don't have a subscription. I do have a subscription and I do a lot of editing in it. Yeah.

[00:25:49] Neela Nalam: Oh, I see. Oh, that's cool.

[00:25:53] Jennifer Wilson: I have, yeah, I have everything going straight from my phone into Lightroom, and then when I open my computer, the photos sync to my computer. And then yeah, everything goes from there and then I organize them and, and eventually make, scrapbook with those photos.

[00:26:07] Neela Nalam: Yeah. Yeah, I, I like Lightroom quite a bit.

[00:26:10] Jennifer Wilson: Is there anything else you'd like to share about how you keep your scrapbooking fresh and interesting?

[00:26:15] Neela Nalam: I, definitely, I mean, life changes over, over the years. Uh, I

[00:26:21] Neela Nalam: think. All these years, it was a lot of baby photos and I still kind of reach on to baby photos. Because I, um, uh, I have a little niece, so I keep asking my, uh, brother to keep sending her photos. So, uh, that, that has always, I mean, that, that's what I used to scrapbook a lot. But, life is changing. My kids are older and I don't think they want to be photographed the way I used to keep, uh, you know, taking photos of them all the time. So, um, I would say, , as life progresses, try to find things that you want to tell stories about. That are current in your life. , I'm kind of in that phase where I'm like, okay, not every layout has to be about , my kid or my niece. So like, what am I into my walks? What do I see in my walks? What do I notice? What do I observe? So yeah, I'm in that phase where I need to change the stories I'm telling. So, but to keep it and products wise, um. You want to always reach out to the latest release products, you know. But that's, that's not right. When I, especially when I have so much product from the years before. Um, I think just switching between manufacturers sometimes helps to keep it fresh. Go get a kit from my, my shelf and Ali Edwards kit. And then open the kit and tell a story from, you know, based on what inspiration, um, I can derive from that kit. Or open one of my old Studio Calico kit and look at it. So yeah, I definitely want to be using up all my previous product to tell my current stories.

[00:28:18] Jennifer Wilson: Oh, well. I can't wait to see what you create this year. It's been fun chatting with you today.

[00:28:24] Neela Nalam: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.

[00:28:26] Jennifer Wilson: Can you share where our guests can find you online and maybe anything else you, you will have new or coming up this year?

[00:28:31] Neela Nalam: So I have a YouTube channel. I don't have too many videos. I have some flip throughs and some, uh, YouTube shots. Uh, it's, it's, um, with my name, I mean the account name is Neela Nalam, and same thing on Instagram. It's Neela Nalam. I've taught a few classes, uh, over at Big Picture classes, so if you're interested to look at any of them, you can find me on Big Picture Classes also. Um, so yeah, I'm on the design team for Ellie Studio this year, so I'm going to be continuing to create, uh, projects with Ellie Studio products and, uh, definitely December Daily in December. Um, yeah. Um, I don't have any new classes planned for this year as such. But, um, maybe, uh, maybe if I find some time, um, maybe create another class for Big Picture Classes this year. Might be a good thing. Good goal to have.

[00:29:28] Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, it sounds fun. Maybe like documenting how you've shifted your storytelling approach to incorporate more of yourself.

[00:29:37] Neela Nalam: Yes. Yeah, that, that would be a good, uh, topic to kind of, uh, think through. Yes.

[00:29:43] Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. All right. Well, again, thank you so much for spending time with me.

[00:29:47] Neela Nalam: Thank you so much, Jennifer.

[00:29:49] Jennifer Wilson: And to all of our listeners, please remember that you have permission to Scrapbook Your Way.