SYW272 – The Power of 15 Minutes

[00:00:16] Jennifer Wilson: Welcome to Scrapbook Your Way, the show that explores the breadth of ways to be a memory keeper today. I’m your host, Jennifer Wilson, owner of Simple Scrapper and author of The New Rules of Scrapbooking. This is episode 272. In this episode I’m chatting with Cheri Johnson about how she uses a simple goal of 15 minutes to be more consistent with her scrapbooking and spur momentum when she needs it most.

[00:00:46] Jennifer Wilson: Good morning, Cheri. Welcome to Scrapbook Your Way.

[00:00:48] Cheri Johnson: Good morning. Thank you for having me.

[00:00:51] Jennifer Wilson: I'm looking forward to our chat today. Can you start by sharing a little bit about yourself?

[00:00:56] Cheri Johnson: Yeah. So, uh, my name is Cheri Johnson. I've been a longtime scrapbooker for many years. Um, I live out in the Kansas City area. I'm married for 21 years with two teenagers, a daughter who's 18 and a son who's 16.

[00:01:12] Jennifer Wilson: Fun, fun. Oh, so you're only, I don't know, what is that? Six, seven hours from me? It seems like it should be closer. I'm in central Illinois, so.

[00:01:20] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, that's awesome.

[00:01:23] Jennifer Wilson: So, Cheri, what is exciting you right now, both inside of your hobby and outside of it?

[00:01:28] Cheri Johnson: Well, I would say inside of my hobby, um, I've been learning Canva over the last, probably year, year and a half.

[00:01:37] Cheri Johnson: And so it's just kind of opened up a new world. I've tried to learn Photoshop in the past and kind of dabbled in it a little bit, but never really got super, super like skilled in it.

[00:01:50] Cheri Johnson: Um, so Canva has kind of been a fun avenue to explore.

[00:01:55] Jennifer Wilson: Before you go on, what types of things have you been doing in Canva that maybe that you weren't doing as part of your process before?

[00:02:04] Cheri Johnson: Um, making journaling cards and kind of customizing those kind of things. I would like to try a, you know, creating a photo book or maybe even some layouts, like six by eight layouts to print. But I haven't, I haven't tackled that quite yet.

[00:02:21] Jennifer Wilson: Okay. Okay. I'm just curious. Yes. Like Canva's definitely a hot topic. I just had recorded another episode last week, um, with Kelly Sill about using Canva and the future of Canva and all of that. So there's a lot of, technology definitely brings so many fun things to scrapbooking.

[00:02:42] Cheri Johnson: Yes.

[00:02:42] Jennifer Wilson: So now outside of scrapbooking.

[00:02:44] Cheri Johnson: Outside of scrapbooking, we are planning a trip to the Smoky Mountains next month.

[00:02:49] Cheri Johnson: And I just, I love trip planning. So that's always, um, you know, a fun, fun thing to do and exciting to go on a trip. So.

[00:03:01] Jennifer Wilson: Yes. What types of things will you be doing on that trip?

[00:03:05] Cheri Johnson: Um, we are going to do some hiking and exploring in the national park. And then I think we're going to spend a day at Dollywood as well. Um, just to check that out. So. Um, fun fact, Silver Dollar City and Dollywood were kind of started by the same people. So, and Silver Dollar City is close to us, uh, just by a few hours. So, we are going to enjoy kind of, uh, seeing what the differences and similarities are between the two.

[00:03:34] Jennifer Wilson: Fun, fun. Yeah, I love, uh, Great Smoky Mountains National Park and Blue Ridge Mountains, like going all the way up. And just so many beautiful waterfalls in that part of the country. And yeah, it's lovely for sure.

[00:03:49] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, yeah, we're excited.

[00:03:51] Jennifer Wilson: So I also like to ask our guests about their memory keeping bucket list. So a story that you have that for some reason has not been told yet, but feels important for whatever reason to capture.

[00:04:04] Cheri Johnson: Well on the vein of national parks, it is on my life bucket list to visit every national park.

[00:04:12] Jennifer Wilson: Oh.

[00:04:12] Cheri Johnson: And so I think there's 63 now and I've been to about 13 or 14, I think. And obviously I'll be checking another one off this year. Um, and I would like to do an album, just kind of a simple album with. Um, you know, just photos from each national park. And I've, I did a little calculating and if I visit, I think it's two each year until I'm 70, which I'm 45 now.

[00:04:43] Cheri Johnson: So, over the next 25 years, I can get them all done. And that's really exciting to me to realize, like, it is a doable goal. Um. And of course, like some states have multiple, like a

[00:04:55] Cheri Johnson: couple of years ago, we went to Utah and we knocked out five in one trip. Um, and so I would just love to be able to have an album that I can look back on. Um, and add to over the years to document those trips and who I was with and when it was and, all of those kind of things.

[00:05:18] Jennifer Wilson: Now, do you collect your passport stamps when you go as well?

[00:05:22] Cheri Johnson: Oh yes, we do. Um, that's kind of actually a new thing and sadly we lost our books a couple of years ago. Um, and so we had to start over. But one cool thing I learned in researching, um, you can actually mail self addressed stamp envelope to the national parks and request a stamp from the date that you um, were there and they'll send you a stamp back. I haven't tried it yet but that's on my list to do to get those ones that we lost, so.

[00:05:55] Jennifer Wilson: That is really cool. I think there's a couple that I need. I also have so many that are on like the back of receipts and business cards.

[00:06:02] Cheri Johnson: Yeah.

[00:06:03] Jennifer Wilson: Random things because I didn't realize that we were going to go to a national park on this trip and didn't bring my passport book. So.

[00:06:11] Cheri Johnson: Yeah. That happens too.

[00:06:13] Jennifer Wilson: I love this goal and it definitely feels inspiring to me. I hadn't, I hadn't ever set that as a goal, but it's something that I've been really interested in. So I'm so excited for you.

[00:06:23] Cheri Johnson: Yeah. Cool.

[00:06:24] Jennifer Wilson: So the topic of today is what can you do in 15 minutes? And this comes directly from your Instagram handle, 15 Minute Scrapper. It definitely piqued my interest to see what you were all about. Uh, can you start by telling us what prompted you to focus on that goal of 15 minutes a day?

[00:06:42] Cheri Johnson: Yeah. So, um, I think I started my Instagram account in 2018. And it sort of came out of like talking with friends and family that were like, Oh, I just don't have time to do that. I have so many photos. I would love to scrapbook, but I don't have time. And also the idea of like, we can set aside 15 minutes a day to really do anything that we set our minds to. And it's such a doable amount of time. That between those two things, I, and also I guess too, consistency builds momentum. And so just thinking about that idea of setting aside 15 minutes to do something. That's really doable and also inspiring to encourage other people like this is a doable hobby. This is, and it's really more than a hobby. But, just being able to, set aside that time to see what builds on that. And inspire other people to realize that they too can, you know, capture their moments. They can, they can do memory keeping, um, and it is doable. And I think so many times in this industry, we kind of avoid talking about how much time it takes to do something. Or to make a layout or make an album. And I think there's a little bit of shame even as women and moms that, you know, Oh, you spent how much time scrapbooking. And so breaking it down to say, this is, an important thing to do. And you can spend just a little bit of time every day and at the end of the week, have a layout completed. Or an album over a certain amount of time. And kind of making that more of a conversation of, you know, not shaming ourselves for spending time doing this. Um, and not thinking that we need to have a ton of time set aside to do it either.

[00:08:46] Jennifer Wilson: I also want to underscore what you said about it being, uh, that's that starting point to end up doing more. Because sometimes we feel like we don't even have 15. But if we can dive in and do something. Um, It, it keeps the wheels turning in our heads so that we can keep touching it in, you know, even two minute chunks or whatever, whatever time you have throughout the day or throughout the week. Uh, if you can stay connected to it, it makes a huge difference.

[00:09:14] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:09:16] Jennifer Wilson: Okay. So we're going to get more into some really specific details here because I think this is going to be a really, uh, popular and helpful episode. But I'd love to hear more about you and your hobby. What kind of scrapbooking do you enjoy and maybe what kind of projects are on your plate this year.

[00:09:34] Cheri Johnson: So for me, I have been following Ali Edwards for many, many years. And so I just have a heart for her projects. Um, December Daily is probably my most favorite, um, project that I do each year. And, um, :I've also done a lot of pocket pages, Project Life for a number of years. I have a lot of unfinished Project Life albums. But even in going back through those, the unfinished albums, like, I just, like get excited about what's there. And that helps me to stay motivated to keep going. It's focusing on what I have done instead of what I haven't done. Um, and so I've also this year, um, my daughter graduated from high school in May. And even though I have tons of scrapbook pages about her and Project Life albums and different things, I had never done like a school year album to be able to gift to her. To take with her. And so that was my big goal for this year. Mostly an album full of a lot of photos and some of the artwork and different things that she's done over the years. Um, and put putting that together. Um, so that's really been my big focus this year is that album.

[00:10:55] Jennifer Wilson: Why do you think maybe it sounds like you do a lot of pocket pages, a lot of photo emphasis in your work so that we can get all those memories in there. Why do you think those approaches are a good fit for your, your season of life or your personality or how you work best?

[00:11:12] Cheri Johnson: Um, that's a good question. I think for me, like the photo, I mean, the photos are so important, but the journaling also has, um, a huge aspect. And I think that's something that I've grown in over the years. I used to not really journal a ton and, um, I have done more of that. But I think sometimes like people are more interested in the photos or it feels easier to just, you know, you just look through the photos and really just captures you and takes you back to that moment.

[00:11:55] Cheri Johnson: And so, you know, I just really, um, I mean, that's kind of central, I guess.

[00:12:03] Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:12:04] Cheri Johnson: Yeah.

[00:12:05] Jennifer Wilson: I love, yeah, looking through your, your Instagram over time, I see that you have a kind of a consistent style, even if you're working with new, new products, different projects. Um, you seem to have a sense of yourself and how you want to create.

[00:12:23] Cheri Johnson: Yeah. I think that that has, um, sort of evolved over time. And I, I think that, I mean, I've scrapbooked, I think probably close to 30 years. Like more of my life I've scrapbooked than not. And I think that, you know, it's definitely been, a, a journey. But I also feel like, just following Ali, like her, her. Like, if I'm like out of the groove, I can watch a few Ali videos and like, just be a hundred percent inspired and like eager to sit down and scrapbook. Um, and so I think that her influence has really shaped my style. And really figuring out what my style is over the years as well.

[00:13:10] Jennifer Wilson: So we're about the same age. And I'm trying to think back. I probably started around the same time. Definitely was not continuous, but what got you into scrapbooking when you were 15?

[00:13:20] Cheri Johnson: So it was really, I just, I always loved to play with paper. And always loved like writing. I mean, that was just something from a young age that I enjoyed doing. And then as I got older, I think I really, kind of got into it, um, later high school and, and early college was kind of when I really got started. And, um, my mom and I, she was visiting me at college. And we stumbled upon this scrapbook store. And I was like, wait, there's a store for this? Like, you know, and it had just like walls of the, like Mrs. Grossman's, like, you know, rolls of stickers that you would just tear off. And I mean, even like when I was really little, the Hello Kitty store, I don't know if you had one of those. That was like, I mean, I was just like, kid in a candy store. That was my favorite place to go when I hadn't spending money. Um.

[00:14:24] Jennifer Wilson: Had a, what is it? Kurokuropi pencil box. I remember that fifth grade. That was like the peak of my coolness, I think.

[00:14:32] Cheri Johnson: Yeah. Yeah, so when we found that store, like we both, um, my mom is a scrapbooker too. And so we both just were like, Oh, this is so cool. I can't believe there's a store for this. And look at this paper. And I think that really like jumpstarted my love of scrapbooking. And then I kind of went through like just a card making phase. And then I had my daughter and that opened up a whole new reason for scrapbooking for me. It was like, and that's when I would say I really took off with scrapbooking. Was at that point. So that was, you know, she's 18. So 18 years ago.

[00:15:14] Jennifer Wilson: So fast forwarding to this year, you created this big project for her. But you know, the senior year of a child is a really busy time. Um, did you have trouble like fitting that in or was it your 15 minutes a day that really made that happen?

[00:15:32] Cheri Johnson: Um, I would love to say it was my 15 minutes a day. But I was, I mean, I was down to the wire to try to finish it. And to be 100 percent honest, I still have journaling cards to write in it. Um, but we did, we had it out at our graduation and, and so many people, you know, commented about how awesome. It was. And, um, that was, that was fun. But I, honestly, the longest part was just going back through all the photos and choosing which ones to print. I mean, you know, hundreds and hundreds of photos each year. To, you know, cull down to maybe 25 each year, was so hard. Um, and then printing all of those. That was, and honestly, that's my least favorite part of scrapbooking.

[00:16:22] Cheri Johnson: And that was the most that had to be done for this project. So, um, so yeah, it was, it was kind of a beast. But, um, I'm, I'm good. It's going to be so great for her to have something like this to take away with her.

[00:16:39] Jennifer Wilson: Yes, yes. Well, and I'm, it's, I think for those who maybe have younger children, it's a reminder that you can maybe get started earlier. My daughter's going into eighth grade. I'm like, Oh, I could create a folder for that now. Um, and start spending time if I know that I want to do something like that, um, for her graduation.

[00:17:01] Cheri Johnson: Absolutely.

[00:17:02] Jennifer Wilson: Um, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now let's talk real life implementation of 15 minutes a day. And, you know, I want to say, I understand, I'm not expecting, you're not a perfect person, nor am I, nor are any of our listeners. But if we're, we're just kind of focusing on this as the benchmark. Um, how often do you think you accomplish at least 15 minutes?

[00:17:25] Cheri Johnson: Well, recently, I would say I've been consistently inconsistent. Um, but I would say like over the years of, um, aiming for this, I would say on average, maybe once or twice a week.

[00:17:41] Jennifer Wilson: Okay, okay. And do you keep track of this at all?

[00:17:46] Cheri Johnson: Um, I'm.

[00:17:47] Jennifer Wilson: Just a mental thing?

[00:17:49] Cheri Johnson: On occasions I have. Um, when I'm really, like really focused on doing that. I might write it down in my planner as, you know, an item to check off. Or, um, I've also used like habit trackers. Where, you know, tracking it that way.

[00:18:06] Jennifer Wilson: That's really cool. Yeah, I've seen a lot of people do that with various habit trackers. Um, and we have a lot of people in our community that just track their time on scrapbooking in general, rather than trying to track projects. Because as you said earlier, things often take longer than we think they're going to. So as long as we know we're investing time, we know we're moving forward.

[00:18:26] Cheri Johnson: Right, exactly. And I think that that, goes back to that consistency builds momentum. Because I found when I've been really consistent, I, you know, it's like throughout the day I'm thinking about what am I going to do with that 15 minutes today? I'm going to finish that layout or, um, I'm just going to go through photos today and decide what I want to, you know, start on next. Or, um, you know, and there's been times where it's like, you know, when my kids were younger and I'd be laying with them at night, that would be my 15 minutes because I was so exhausted that day. So it's like, I'm just going to lay here on my phone and scroll through photos and delete some. And, you know, just use that time for, you know, the maintenance type of things.

[00:19:13] Jennifer Wilson: Sure. It all counts for sure.

[00:19:15] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:19:17] Jennifer Wilson: So what time of day does that, uh, do you try to make that fall into? Um, you just mentioned that obviously if you, if you haven't done it by the time it's bedtime, you are, uh, on your phone, but when, when have you found that that works best for you?

[00:19:32] Cheri Johnson: For me, it's really been in the evenings has been the best time. And, um, probably I would say later evening. Um, and part of that is, um, one thing that I kind of have tried to live by just a simple thing, um, that, um, a mentor had told me, um, many years ago. Was start your day in the Bible and end your day doing something you enjoy. And so I've really tried to, um, live by that. And I think that for me, you know, a lot of times 15 minutes can turn into an hour or more.

[00:20:10] Cheri Johnson: And so I know that at nine o'clock or, you know, 8:30, if that does turn into longer, the only thing I'm losing is sleep. Like, I'm not going to have to be interrupted to go to an appointment or start working or, you know, what have you. Like, I know that like, it's the end of my day. So if I am inspired to keep going, I can.

[00:20:33] Jennifer Wilson: How often would you say that happens? Is there like a snowball effect where you have lots of motivation to keep going and, and stay up later?

[00:20:40] Cheri Johnson: A lot of times. A lot of times.

[00:20:43] Jennifer Wilson: What types of things do you think you can complete in 15 minutes? So if we're trying to encourage others to think about, okay, 15 minutes doesn't seem like a lot. How can we demonstrate that it it's not nothing.

[00:20:57] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, I think, um, you know, it, it goes back to, you know, sometimes it is just going through photos and deleting photos. I mean, it's the photos are, are the center. So is the writing. So maybe it's, you know, you just spend 15 minutes journaling. Um, but I think practically speaking, I can typically, if I'm doing like a pocket page layout, I can usually print my photos and choose some journaling cards to go along with those photos in 15 minutes. Or I can do some journaling. If, you know, if it's like, I've already done that step. Then the next day I can focus on journaling and maybe a little bit of embellishing. And then the third day might be finishing up that layout and making the final touches. And then I'm ready to move on to the next. Um, so that's kind of how that's looked for me over the years. Um, or it's, you know, if I'm not doing a pocket page layout, I'm doing a traditional layout. Then it might be, um, a similar thing where it's like I'm choosing my photo and I'm choosing the papers I'm going to use and maybe pulling out a few embellishments that I think will coordinate. And then the next day I'm actually assembling that page. And, you know, maybe doing a little bit of embellishing and journaling. And then the last day is wrapping up and making those final touches. Getting it put into the album.

[00:22:23] Jennifer Wilson: Do you ever use this time intentionally for putting things away, organizing supplies, things like that? Or does that happen naturally outside of that time, I guess?

[00:22:35] Cheri Johnson: Yeah. I mean, that's one thing that I think sometimes can springboard me if I've been in a, in a, you know, period of time where I haven't really spent much time scrapbooking. That's a good way to kind of reenter and get re inspired. Is by going through my products and doing some organizing, cleaning up, um, and that sort of thing. To kind of get me inspired and get some ideas flowing.

[00:23:01] Jennifer Wilson: Yes. Yes, for sure. I think, yeah, it's that, that reconnection, the touching it, uh, whether it's touching, touching it digitally or with our actual supplies seems to, as you said, get those creative juices flowing again.

[00:23:16] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, definitely.

[00:23:17] Jennifer Wilson: Now, going back to this idea that you almost always, uh, use 15 minutes as a starting point to really get into it. How would you say you feel after those 15 minutes? Um, particularly when this is evening and, you know, it's been a long day.

[00:23:33] Cheri Johnson: Yeah.

[00:23:34] Jennifer Wilson: Do you feel refreshed, energized, content?

[00:23:38] Cheri Johnson: Both of those. Um, refreshed, satisfied, sometimes 15 minutes feels like enough. And it's like, okay, I've spent my 15 minutes. I've made some progress. Now I'm going to bed. Other times, I'm on a roll and I want to keep going. And of course, you know, there's always that kind of scrapbookers high. You know, where you just like lose all track of time. And, you know, it just is part of the reason that we do what we do. That joy that we find and that, you know, gratitude that comes from capturing those memories. So, yeah, I mean, it's always a good feeling. That's the thing, like, to remember too, is, you know, whether it's 15 minutes or two hours, like, I never walk away feeling discouraged or, you know, disappointed in spending that time. So.

[00:24:30] Jennifer Wilson: One of the things you've mentioned is how you will kind of work on a layout over the course of a week and in certain stages. Do you, how do you make sure you know what the next step is? Is it because you are doing it so often? I can see kind of a, a point of resistance being, you know, all the time to do the whole layout because I don't feel like I can stop without kind of losing my flow or train of thought.

[00:24:57] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, and I think that's, um, one of those things that if I am in that flow, I just keep going. Or maybe I'm at a point where I'm kind of stuck, and so just like stepping away. Going to bed and then, you know, it might come up in my mind throughout the day, an idea to try. Or, you know, just kind of giving that space to think about it, um, through that next day. Can kind of get me excited to get back to my space that evening to try out that idea. Or, um, jot down that journaling that I was thinking about. Um, so I think that that kind of just comes naturally depending on how I'm feeling about what I'm working on.

[00:25:44] Jennifer Wilson: Sure, certainly. Now, kind of stepping back here, what do you think you've learned about yourself, the way you scrapbook, the way your life is structured from having this goal?

[00:25:54] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, so I really thrive on having routine and kind of a structure to my life. That's just something that I really strive for. And with this having like a realistic and achievable goal, I think helps with that. But I've also learned that I tend to have a lot of ideas and things I want to do that aren't practical to actually get done. And when I have too many things that I want to do, I tend to get overwhelmed and just sort of like not want to scrapbook. Because I've just overwhelmed myself. And, to some degree, I think that happened with my daughter's project. Because it was such a big project and was daunting. That I sort of like put it off in some ways and procrastinated doing it. Even though it was super important to me. I was also overwhelmed by it. And so I think for me, um, like having things that, um, I am really excited about. But also, um, like, I think I probably would have gotten this done more quickly if I had been also working on a different project at the same time. Like

[00:27:20] Cheri Johnson: something that was, um, more exciting. I don't, I don't, I don't really know, but I think, um, consistency definitely keeps me motivated and that momentum. Um, but also in the same vein, I would say one project at a time. Although having multiple projects that I can switch back and forth with is also motivating and helpful to me. Um, So, I don't know, I feel like I'm kind of all over the place with that answer, but, um.

[00:27:56] Jennifer Wilson: Okay. I think with projects like that, that feel big because they are big, but they also feel big emotionally, they're important. Um, it can be harder to stay consistent with those because just your, your feelings are all getting, getting in the way of doing the scrapbooking in ways that it doesn't happen with just our regular projects, our regular layouts and our pages. So I have a certain travel album that's kind of the same thing for me right now. It feels like important and grand and I want to do it justice. So I don't work on it.

[00:28:35] Cheri Johnson: Right.

[00:28:35] Jennifer Wilson: So I, yeah, and eventually, like, I'm going to need to, and it's going to take that, you know, the accountability strategies you mentioned of having something to alternate it with. And, um, you know, even this 15 minutes at a time to, to get it done.

[00:28:50] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, exactly.

[00:28:51] Jennifer Wilson: So what advice might you have for fellow scrapbookers who have trouble fitting in time for themselves and their hobby?

[00:28:58] Cheri Johnson: So I would say number one, like have grace with yourself. This is a hobby that it tends to ebb and flow, especially over a lot of time. But also I think it helps to choose a time of the day that you can realistically and consistently set aside for it. And whether it be a small amount of time on a regular basis, or if it's once a week, for a little bit longer period of time. Um, Like, I know I've said it already, but consistency really makes a difference. And it really builds that momentum of being able to see progress. And when we see progress, we get excited to keep going. I would say, just say, try to find a consistent time. And even when you fall off the horse, just get back up and keep going. Like, don't think, Oh, I can never do this. Because I mean, I've had lots of seasons of inconsistency, but it's such a part of me that I, will never like fully give up, you know? And so I think that that is just one of those things to consider is, to just keep going when it gets hard.

[00:30:13] Jennifer Wilson: Yes. I love that.

[00:30:15] Cheri Johnson: Also, I would just say, like, it's supposed to be fun. So if it's not fun, like step away and do something else for a while and, and come back later.

[00:30:23] Jennifer Wilson: Oh, a hundred percent. And you know, there's some times in our lives where more things feel fun. And there's other times where, you know, things don't feel fun. And even though we can conceptually say like scrapbooking is supposed to be fun, sometimes we're just not in that mood and that's okay. That's life.

[00:30:39] Jennifer Wilson: We're all going to go through ups and downs. And as you said, give yourself grace to, to go with that and trust that you're commitment and connection to this hobby, uh, can outlast those ebbs and flows.

[00:30:53] Cheri Johnson: Absolutely.

[00:30:54] Jennifer Wilson: All right, Cheri, can you share where our listeners can find you online? Anything you have new or coming up in the second half of 2024?

[00:31:03] Cheri Johnson: Yeah, so you can find me on Instagram at 15minutescrapper. It's one five minute scrapper. And I am working on, um, creating a free download of the, um, journaling cards I used in my daughter's album. Um, there's going to be 48 journaling cards. So I'm excited to share that. Um, I made them on Canva. So, um, and I will also be working on December Daily this year, as in past years. And, um, I might get started on that National Park album. We'll see. So, um, we'd love to connect with you on Instagram.

[00:31:52] Jennifer Wilson: Sounds great.

[00:31:53] Cheri Johnson: Yeah.

[00:31:54] Jennifer Wilson: Thank you so much for spending time with me. I'm definitely feeling inspired to spend at least 15 minutes today.

[00:31:59] Cheri Johnson: Thank you, Jennifer. I appreciate it so much. It was a lot of fun.

[00:32:03] Jennifer Wilson: And to all of our listeners, please remember that you have permission to scrapbook your way.